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October 17, 2005 As usual there was mail over the weekend: A variety of topics in Open Mail Saturday, and a new round in the languages debates. Subj: Towards Nemourlon: Dragon Skin "The Return of Fishscale Armor" http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/20051015233042.asp Still More New Body Armor http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_PArmor,00.html SoldierTech:Military Gear and Gadgets http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/sov.php Pinnacle Armor -[ Body Armor / SOV ]- Body Armor and Armoring Products for Vehicles, Vessels, Aircraft and Buildings. http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/dragon-skin-survivors.php I think the Society for Creative Anachronism should issue an award for this one. Rod Montgomery==monty@sprintmail.com ================ FYI...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ "The spectacle of Frum, George Will, Charles Krauthammer, Rush Limbaugh, John Podhoretz, Kristol and other conservative commentators breaking with their president over Miers has the feel of a messy family feud. These, after all, are the political pugilists who are usually slapping around liberals and Democrats. But there is something about Bush picking his White House counsel and longtime personal lawyer -- and passing over a batch of conservative judges with sterling credentials -- that has inflamed his normally loyal media supporters. "Former Republican Party chairman Ed Gillespie says he's detected a whiff of sexism in the opposition to Miers. Fox News anchor Brit Hume has noted that many critics of the Southern Methodist University graduate went to elite Eastern schools. "This prompted Frum -- a proud graduate of Yale and Harvard Law -- to fire back at "Brit Hume's and Fred Barnes' embarrassing repetition of Ed Gillespie's talking points: 'Brawwwwwk-sexism; brawwwwwwk-elitism; brawwwwwwwwwk-Harvard; brawwwwwwwwwk; brawwwwwkk; brawwwwwk.' " I just know you'll enjoy this, Dr. Pournelle... Charles Brumbelow Egregious, but what can you expect.... Note next letter: The egregious, inconsistent Frum. http://americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=3396 ---- Roland Dobbins Egregious, as usual. =============== Subject: You will find this interest Dr. Pournelle Perhaps you will find this link interesting, maybe even enjoyable. http://apnews.myway.com//article/20051016/D8D9D8A08.html
quote------ A man described as one of the nation's leading senders of spam says an FBI raid on his home office has halted his e-mail operation. Warrants unsealed last week show that a September raid on Alan M. Ralsky's home in a Detroit suburb included the seizure of financial records, computers and disks. "We're out of business at this point in time," Ralsky said. "They didn't shut us down. They took all our equipment, which had the effect of shutting us down." Unquote -- I know that there was not physical pain involved but it is, after all, a small step. Ray Thompson Not enough pain. More! More! But it's a start. ============= Subject: FW: Last week a ND Weather Bulletin buffy willow We had a recent snow in Montana where we lost power for several days, most of us stocked up wood for the fireplace, brought in coolers and ice, and moved things from our refrigerators to the coolers, and used our grills to cook on for those days… in light of that, I was impressed by this:
Tracy == Subject: New Report Finds More Than Half of New Orleans Families Headed by Single Mothers They say: "Of all families with related children under age 18, female-headed families make up 56.0 percent in the city of New Orleans versus 25.2 percent for the nation as a whole."
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Women of Gulf Coast Key to Rebuilding After Katrina and Rita; New Report Finds More Than Half of New Orleans Families Headed by Single Mothers WASHINGTON, Oct. 12 (AScribe Newswire) -- Women of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast region are especially hard-hit by hurricanes Katrina and Rita, as they are more likely than men to be in poverty, and to head single-parent families, according to a new study released Tuesday by the Institute for Women's Policy Research. "The Women of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast: Multiple Disadvantages and Key Assets for Recovery, Part I. Poverty, Race, Gender and Class" uses U.S. Census Bureau data to provide a detailed portrait of poverty among women and people of color in the city of New Orleans and the metropolitan areas of Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas hardest hit by the hurricanes. The paper also presents data on poverty in the cities and metropolitan areas to which many hurricane victims have moved. The paper finds that poverty rates for women in this region are higher than for the nation as a whole, at 25.9 percent in the city of New Orleans, 17.4 percent in the broader New Orleans metropolitan area, 18.6 percent in the Biloxi-Gulfport-Pascagoula metropolitan area of Mississippi, and 16.2 percent in the Beaumont-Port Arthur metropolitan area of Texas, compared with 14.5 percent nationally. "Recognizing the unique circumstances of women in the Gulf Coast region must be central to the rebuilding efforts. Ensuring that women are fully represented in the planning process will help to inform effective workforce development strategies and the design of services that support employment," said IWPR Director of Research Dr. Barbara Gault. "Because of the high prevalence of single mother families, for example, access to convenient child care is crucial for successful redevelopment." Of all families with related children under age 18, female-headed families make up 56.0 percent in the city of New Orleans versus 25.2 percent for the nation as a whole. Many of these families also live below the poverty line. Four in ten female-headed families in the city of New Orleans and the New Orleans metropolitan area are poor, and poverty rates among these families are also very high in Beaumont-Port Arthur (34.7 percent) and Biloxi-Gulfport-Pascagoula (28.6 percent). <snip> A very interesting set of letters. And from a teacher in the Northwest: Just add, subtract, factor or divide both sides, yeah, right. Solving quadratic equations was similarly covered in just two pages. Compare that to MY 7th grade math worksheet, which was a 8.5 x 11 sheet of 1 digit by 1 digit multiplications, which I completed about 85%, and got 1 or 2 wrong. I wonder how many of these kids who are expected to solve quadratic equations with 2 pages of instruction know how to add fractions with uncommon denominators, or divide a 5 digit by a 3 digit decimal number. Some parents commented that their students were having big problems with Math Analysis in high school after going through integrated math in middle school. My peek at McDougall Littell was that this curriculum aimed at high school, but offered at middle school level crammed a shot gun ful of college level material concepts all over the place, while providing no instruction in basic arithmetic, nor the old fashioned baby-step per week build up of algebra. I couldn't even FIND how to solve a simple equation like 2 x + 8 = 15 among all the instruction in graphing, statistics, and problem solving. I don't know if moving from integrated back to to Algebra is better or worse, but so far not too many complaints from my kids and I haven't had to do their homework left. Parents in XXSD are still pretty much clueless as to the harm of fuzzy new-new math. ==== Subject:UK's plan for gifted http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news
The country's brightest state-school children are to be "cherry-picked" at the age of 11 under new government plans to speed the development of the top-performing Ruth Kelly, the Education Secretary, will announce radical proposals tomorrow during a speech in which she will vow to do much more to "stretch" gifted pupils, including teaching them in small groups and at weekends. The Sunday Telegraph has learnt that ministers want to single out about 30,000 children, using "raw scores" from the National Curriculum tests in mathematics and English taken by all pupils in the final year at primary school. The plan, which will be set out in detail in a much-anticipated education White Paper to be published next week, is strongly reminiscent of the old 11-plus examination. Gifted pupils will be offered extra expert one-to-one tuition, "hothouse" lessons in small groups, holiday schools and even weekend "masterclasses" taught by university lecturers. Their performance will be closely monitored up to the age of 14. A source close to Ms Kelly pledged that the drive to boost standards would go up several gears and added: "This will be the future of teaching." At least £60 million in extra money will be earmarked to fund the programme in 2006-07 and 2007-08. The scheme will also cover the worst-performing pupils, who will be offered specialised tuition to help them to catch up. The money will cover the hiring, for example, of specialist language coaches and more classroom assistants, particularly those with experience in mathematics and English. However, it is the plan to identify and nurture the brightest five per cent, a move strongly backed by Tony Blair, that is likely to be the most controversial, particularly among teaching unions. The Prime Minister has taken a zealous approach to driving up standards, telling colleagues last week that he wanted the best schools to be given much more freedom to expand, even if that was at the expense of the poorest performers. Ms Kelly said last night: "We need to do more than keep up the momentum on school improvement, we need to accelerate it. <snip>
The reason the US cannot compete in manufacturing is simple: we don't teach skilled workers anything at all. We attempt to teach everyone in the US to be an intellectual. Since half are below average (I know that is heresy and insulting, but half the children are below average. Get used to it.) a large number aren't going to get much from education designed to teach them to be intellectuals. On the other hand, No Child Left Behind means we can't spend much time working with the top 10% who can be intellectuals; and of course the top half of the class is neglected while teacher time is spent working with the bottom half; but working with the bottom half isn't going to make them intellectuals. What we need to do is take the bottom half of the teachers, train them in some SKILLS, and set them to teaching SKILLS to the bottom half of the student body. We would then get some skilled workers who could compete world wide, while the top half of the student body might actually be educated, learn how to learn, and do the things such people can do. Good Old American Know-How would reappear like magic. Why do I think our teacher unions will never allow this? So. Perhaps that is enough political incorrectness for the day? |
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October 18, 2005 FYI, Dr. Pournelle... <http://www.fool.com/Server/printarticle.aspx?file=/news/mft/2005/mft05101706.htm> "This [new bankruptcy] law reeks of hypocrisy to me. And no, this isn't political, given that the bill was a bipartisan smackdown of the average American. It seems to me that lower-income individuals are being held to a much higher standard than our largest companies are. Under a corporate bankruptcy, a company like Delta can avoid numerous obligations like health or pension benefits in order to remain in business. But a "fresh start" for ordinary citizens was not deemed worthy. Not even the victims of hurricanes Katrina and Rita will be given any special treatment under the new law. Maybe former presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton can be rolled out for a fundraiser or two in a couple of years to help some of the hurricane victims meet their Chapter 13 obligations. "The double standard here is glaring. Recently, rising jet fuel prices nudged Delta and Northwest into declaring bankruptcy. Rising energy prices in addition to rising health-care costs are placing many Americans in equally difficult positions. Why are we more unforgiving of individuals than we are of corporations? "Essentially, the law will make it harder for individuals to file for a Chapter 7 bankruptcy, which allows you to liquidate your assets to pay off some of your debts. Any remaining debts above the amount of your assets are then canceled. The credit card companies often fail to collect from their customers under this form of bankruptcy, so obviously, they wanted to reform the system. "As of today, more people will be required to file a Chapter 13 bankruptcy, which will require individuals to enter into a payment arrangement lasting from three to five years in order to repay their debts. Last year, 1.1 million people filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcies, while approximately 450,000 filed for Chapter 13. "Luckily for the likes of Delta, Northwest, and, dare we say, GM(NYSE: GM), Chapter 11 bankruptcies, which apply to corporations, were left untouched by the reform. My colleague Tom Taulli offers more detail on the new law in another article today." Emphasis added. And <http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-10-18-delta-usat_x.htm> "Delta, the USA's No. 3 carrier, will vault ahead of British Airways on trans-Atlantic routes with the addition of 11 new Europe routes starting next spring. This year, Delta has launched or announced a total of 50 new international routes. "Delta, which is in Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization, is expanding international flights in an ambitious bid to regain profitability by the end of 2007. Traditional carriers such as Delta view foreign flying as an escape from the fierce fare competition from low-fare carriers on most domestic routes." Emphasis added. Surely campaign contributions had noting to do with this situation... Charles Brumbelow A straight tariff on imported goods and services distorts the marker considerably less than all the special games we play. But that's not Free Trade! Of course what we have isn't Free Trade either. ========= I've been ill with a nasty cold, so I'm just catching up with events. The bird flu has been moving into Eastern Europe and physicians are becoming concerned. <http://www.guardian.co.uk/birdflu/story/ 0,14207,1595015,00.html> Story about inane antiterrorism actions: <http://www.guardian.co.uk/ g2/story/0,3604,1594507,00.html> Latest ID card story: <http://www.guardian.co.uk/idcards/story/ 0,15642,1594643,00.html> . They're also fiddling the cost figures. The Lib-Dems are in opposition: <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4351538.stm> UK Taxes: <http://society.guardian.co.uk/publicfinances/story/0,12671,1594900,00.html> BBC fees: <http://politics.guardian.co.uk/ media/comment/0,12123,1593576,00.html> The UK is not planning to send people into space--ever: <http:// news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4351688.stm> If you're serious, you willing to spend money. Are you willing to spend money--'No.' You're not serious. Teacher training being cut in the UK: <http://education.guardian.co.uk/training/story/0,7348,1594970,00.html> Tube chaos: <http://politics.guardian.co.uk/publicservices/story/0,11032,1594776,00.html> -- Harry Erwin, PhD ======================= Dear Dr. Pournelle, We here in BC are now going into the second week of an illegal teacher's strike. The British Columbia Teacher's Federation is claiming that class size is at the root of the problem, but I can't help but notice that a 15% pay raise over the next three years is also on the table. The BCTF is claiming 90% approval by members for the strike action, but only 59% of the teachers even bothered to vote. By my calculations that is only 53% approval, good enough for a Presidential election, but not for an illegal strike that is affecting 600,000 students, their families, and businesses that are losing man-hours of production due to day care problems. Everything you have said about teacher's unions is ringing true. The public school system is being run into the ground by people who cannot be fired for their incompetence. My own education, and that of my wife's, were interrupted by an acrimonious strike, to the point where I felt I would be better off quitting school and getting a job, rather than furthering my education at the hands of greedy unions, and bureaucratic bunglers. I have done alright for myself, and have risen to a pay scale that allows us to have my wife stay at home and home school our two boys. I own my own home, two older cars and play with computers for a hobby. I don't travel as much as I would like, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make in the interest of my son's education. There is always the future for travel, anyway. I completed an IQ test long ago, and at the time I posted 128, by no means a genius. However, I can puzzle out riddles, do fairly complex equations, play guitar and piano, maintain five computers at home, and fourteen at work, use power tools, build a deck and stairs, wire a circuit, plumb a toilet and fix a car. I am comfortably on the right side of the bell curve, without being so far down the bell I can't use mechanical skills. In other words, I can more than I cannot. I consider myself average, but am occasionally jerked back to reality when I realize that the "average" person out there cannot make change for a $5.65 purchase from a $20 bill, without the aid of a cash register, or calculate a 10% tip. The last example actually terrifies me! I am teaching my sons to be trades people. I would like them to become plumbers, or electricians, or mechanics, and open their own businesses, rather than becoming a wage slave. I want for them to become useful, happy citizens. I think that it is not a bad goal for one's children. Thank you for allowing me to ramble on, and keep up the good work. Stay strong and never weaken! Bill Grigg =============== Subject: In defense of Microsoft Afternoon Jerry, I've been a critic of Microsoft's plans to charge for their anti-spyware/anti-virus products, as they shouldn't be financially rewarded for producing a defective product. Now that they've announced the inclusion of anti-spyware capabilities in Vista (see http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1872253,00.asp) <http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1872253,00.asp> there are folks crying anti-trust and claiming that it's anti-competitive. So if Microsoft fixed the OS to eliminate spyware in the first place, would that be anti-competitive and monopolistic? Are these vendors now claiming that Microsoft must make Windows perpetually insecure in order to provide a market for their products? Good grief. I have high-hopes that eventually Windows design flaws will be fixed, and all the anti-spyware and anti-virus companies will go out of business. In the meantime, the best thing for consumers is to have Microsoft provide tools to mitigate the impact of those flaws at no additional cost. Kudos to Microsoft for doing just that. As for the vultures who've built a business on the flaws, a review of Quarterdeck's corporate history might be in order. Cheers, Doug P.S. For those more recent to the DOS/Windows world, Quarterdeck produced the QEMM product line, which provided memory management for DOS and Windows. It was almost a required product because the memory management provided by Microsoft was somewhere between minimally functional and brain dead. Once Microsoft corrected the core problems, there was no longer a market for their products. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QEMM -- doug[@]douglhotka[.]com "Do something you like. Forget about the pay, for Christ's sakes. Regulate your style of living to fit your income. Just have fun in your job, that's the main thing." ~ General Chuck Yeager ========= The law of the wiki. http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2005/10/the_law_of_the.php
-- Roland Dobbins Interesting speculation on why some wikipedia entries work and some are useless. I will leave the rest of the speculation as exercises for the readers. ======== Here is another indictment of the education establishment, Dr. Pournelle: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/articles/051024/24john.htm To quote:
Enjoy? Charles Brumbelow But we only want qualified teachers, well qualified, with genuine credentials, don't we? You would not want unqualified teachers. We have sown the wind. =========== From Another Conference: Monday, October 17, 2005 I question the logic and am repulsed by the arrogance of those who question the right to work of certain ethic groups, namely our Latin American neighbors who are currently employed in the clean-up of metropolitan New Orleans. The clean-up crews in New Orleans are housed and fed and paid to perform needed services that the residents either won't or can't perform. How did the Mexicans and Hondurans get here? Certainly not with FEMA checks. The evacuees in shelters around the country have not been detained. They have been welcomed with open arms; they have been fed, clothed and received thousands of FEMA dollars to spend as they choose. But they have not chosen to buy a bus ticket or a plane ticket or made any effort to return so they can help rebuild their community. ( http://ads.nola.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.nola.com/xml/story/N/NOELE/@StoryAd?x)If Mayor Ray Nagin is concerned about the 3,000 city employees who must be let go, give them a broom and shovel and put them to work. Why not start a campaign to get to work? Peter But I thought -- Oh well. We had an earthquake and power outages and rain and mudslides in Los Angeles. I am still waiting for FEMA to show up with my $2000 debit card and perhaps my trailer. Work is for pigs. I have that on good authority from people who live well but don't work. From another conference: One thing that pundits who bemoan America's rising gini coefficient don't take into account is that the America of the early 21st Century is the first society in human history where the affluent work more hours per week than the non-affluent. Those who insist that America has entered into a new "Gilded Age" should check the newspapers of the original Gilded Age for any terms equivalent to today's commonplace "24X7 Rich". The following article from the current COMPUTERWORLD captures what is going on very well. The "money quote": > Information security professionals are in high
demand, Another thing the left-wing punditocracy does not acknowledge is how much poverty is *voluntary*. And it's not just inner-city girls volunteering themselves (and their babies) for a life of poverty by having a baby for a man unready to be a father. Every star-struck actress wannabe in New York City who waitresses just enough to keep body and soul together while taking acting and voice classes and going to auditions would also show up in the stats as "low-income". (Curiously, one sometimes finds such women in million-dollar Trump Place condos... <grin>. There appears to be forms of "wealth" that the economic statistics don't quite capture...) Jim |
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Subject: Virus infections make you fat, depressed Jerry The fat's in the fire now. Turns out, infection with certain viruses can cause obesity and depression. http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/10/18/051018164658.5t5yxs3t.html Looks like the germ theory of disease is not dead yet. Ed Very much in line with Greg Cochran's theory that many so-called hereditary disorders must be actual infectious diseases, because the genetic burdens would breed them out of the race in short order. That's assuming one take evolutionary biology seriously and uses the theory to make predictions. Cochran takes it very seriously, and as he puts it, it lets him say "I told you so" fairly often. ============= Subject: Buffy Willow - Science Fiction Covers Dear Dr. Pournelle, I came across the following link displaying "a few thousand science fiction covers" and thought it might be of interest to the readership. But be warned! Its a great time-sink. http://www.krazydad.com/visco/ -- Cheers, Art Russell, PhD Neat! ==================== Now for a bit more on the IQ debates. Begin here: Dr. Pournelle, Regarding your recent discussion on IQ, here is the current research on this issue, I believe. Being in academia as I am, please do not use my real name as I would be crucified (tenure or not), even though the FACTS are there for all to see: < http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/psychology/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf> .It is pretty heavy lifting, I'm afraid. -- G -- Citing Rushton is a ticket to oblivion in academia although no one can question the integrity of his data. Its like going to dinner with Jensen. Or paying attention the implications of the nearly flawless Minnesota Twin studies. You cannot let data and science get in the way of current academic theory. = The following exchange of letters is long, and while it is informative, it is hardly entertaining; indeed it is conversations like this that tempt me to despair. You can skip this by clicking here, but I don't advise that you do so. Note that this all started with the publication of Murray's latest paper, and my comments. If the subject interests you, go read last week's essay and letters. I tried there to discuss the subject, and draw conclusions relevant to the organization of school systems. I also pointed out some unpleasant facts. Those facts distress many sincere and well meaning people. They distress me. That does not make them less true. God and the Universe are not designed to change facts in order to relieve me of stress. I got a number of replies, many agreeing with me, but one disturbed me a bit and I answered it. There followed an exchange that I find illustrative. These are well meant and sincere letters from an obviously well educated subscriber with a serious interest in the subject. There are several, and I am not editing for length, so this can get long, while my answers are short; the exchange illustrates the depth of the problem. Dear Jerry, I'm probably dredging up a debate that's died, but as I'm catching up on my reading - a couple of harsh deadlines took my attention - I hope you'll forgive me. There are two points that I think it's worth considering in the whole "IQ" discussion, and that I think make public debate about it much more difficult than they need be. The first is wrapped around that name: intelligence quotient. IQ tests measure the ability to manipulate abstract symbols, which is only part of the story when it comes to intelligence. Yes, as you rightly point out, the ability to manipulate abstract symbols tells you a lot, but intelligence also includes the ability to learn from experience and to adapt effectively to the environment around you. These are factors that may be correlated to, but are not identical to, IQ, but that are clearly part of what we mean when we say something is or has intelligence. So call IQ tests what they are: abstract symbol tests. This doesn't remove their value for determining the type of education that would be of most benefit to the individual child, but it does remove the inaccurate name, and - as a side benefit - makes the tests themselves less likely to be controversial. Saying someone is "not intelligent" is, whether you mean it to be so or not, undoubtedly a stigma. Saying they are not good at abstract reasoning is not. The second point is the issue of race. Studies show that the average IQ of African-Americans is lower than that of white, hispanic, or asian americans. This is a fact that few would contest. The argument is over the cause of this. Is it genetic, or cultural? My view is that it's irrelevent to the matter at hand, which is how to teach children so they'll get the maximum possible benefit from the education system - but that this is something that's muddled by a misunderstanding of IQ. IQ is a measure not of potential, but of performance. You can only make a direct correlation between potential and performance when all other factors are equal, and with something as complicated as a child's education, where the factors include culture, parents, schooling methods, the abilities of individual teachers, economics, and much more, the idea of "all other factors being equal" is a non-starter. But, again, my contention is that for the purpose at hand it doesn't matter. What matters is to channel those who perform well in abstract reasoning tests towards those subjects and careers where they can gain the most benefit from these abilities, and channel those who do not do well in such tests towards subjects and careers that don't require them, and that require other skills. Don't try and turn a child who's good at woodwork into a philosophy professor, and don't try and turn the philosopher into a carpenter. There's an important caveat to this, of course: all children need to learn to read and write to as high a standard as possible, and need to learn to enjoy books. A child who can read and write can, if they wish, later go on to learn whatever they become interested in. Not everything about your abilities to learn is set in early childhood: some children only become interested in (say) art, or science, in their later life. If they can read and write, they are always capable of learning more - and learning can, and should, be a lifelong thing. Best wishes, I = This came at a time when I was very busy, and I sent a very short reply: If the world were as you wish it, your analysis would be correct. The painful fact is that IQ is the best single predictor of success that we have. Not measure of accomplishment. Predictor of success. It is not perfect, but it's pretty good. In IQ of 85 is not going to become a physicist no matter what educational opportunities. You can't take a kid age 3 with IQ 85 and make a Harvard student of him. You can't do it. It has never been done. Sure, you should be certain your measure is correct. You can test several times, but once you are certain of the measure, that is the way it is. == On 10/18/05, Jerry Pournelle <jerryp@jerrypournelle.com> wrote: > The painful fact is that IQ is the best
single predictor of success. Not Of course, this depends in what context we're using "success". I'd regard the guy who does my plumbing as a success. He does an honest, good job, runs his own one-man business, and raises his kids well. He reads and writes, and takes an interest in news. He's not, in any way shape or form, academically inclined - yet he's a good example of someone making the most of his talents. If you mean success in academic accomplishment, of course, you're correct - but it's something of a truism, as the kinds of skills that you're testing for are the kind that lend themselves to academic success. The point is, as I believe you're saying in your original post, we're failing kids if we don't stream them towards subjects and skills that make the most of their abilities. Yet, I'd argue, to do this on anything other than the results of objective tests (of which the IQ test is one - there are others, which should test for other skills) is simply to pander to the anti-science brigade. There is simply no need to account for the difference between racial groupings in order to deliver the best possible education for each child. Those who are struggling to "prove" or "disprove" racial theories of IQ are simply wasting their time, if their aim is to improve the overall standard of education, for one simple reason: IQ's, no matter what race you're measuring, follow the same bell curve. As many black children are above the average as are below it. Do you deny a black student with an IQ of 130 the same education as a white student with the same IQ, on the basis that he's black? Of course not. Of course, that doesn't - and shouldn't - stop us from trying to understand why the difference occurs, but whether it turns out to be because of genetics or culture matters not one jot: we still must educate our children to make the most of their abilities, to enable them to be good citizens and so on. Let the child who's good with his hands become the plumber who's good with his hands - and let him be respected for it. And let the child who's capable of throwing around calculus in his head at the age of five become the maths whizz who cracks interminable problems - and let him be respected for that. > In IQ of 85 is not going to become a physicist no
matter what educational I don't think there's anything in my previous comments that contradicts this, although I'd dispute that IQ tests as early as 3 years old are all that reliable - testers that I know tend to regard 7 as the minimum age at which you're likely to get reliable results. Child mental development isn't precisely predictable given our current level of knowledge - some children's development occurs later than others, and we have to account for this before streaming. I'd say the best age is probably around 12 - in line with the old British "Eleven Plus" exam. But that's a matter of detail, rather than principle. Best wishes, I. At which point I became, I fear, a bit snippy, and gave a short and not very polite answer: Please go learn something about the subject. If I take two groups of plumbers, and ask one to rank order the other group in their success as plumbers, IQ (which the raters do not know) will be the best single predictor of those rank orderings. Or carpenters. Or machinists. But live in your dream world if you like. You are in company with those who have crafted educational systems that don't work. =It wasn't a very nice answer. Fortunately my correspondent has more patience than I: Dear Jerry, On 18 October 2005 18:30, Jerry Pournelle (mailto:jerryp@jerrypournelle.com) wrote: > Please go learn something about the subject. I'm more than happy to be pointed in the direction you'd recommend > If I take two groups of plumbers, and ask one to
rank order Assuming you are correct (and I have my doubts), doesn't that simply throw a spanner in the notion of pointing lower-IQ children towards practical subjects? After all, if they are unlikely to make a success of their lives even in a profoundly practical area like plumbing, what DO they do? > But live in your dream world if you like. You are in
company Jerry, please give examples of practical alternatives to the idea that you use IQ to stream children towards work they have aptitude for. Best wishes, I Which prompted from me: Daniel Seligman A Question of Intelligence is probably the best lay book on the subject. He's a journalist, mildly left in politics. He started with the conventional views, but did honest research and reports what he discovered. The Bell Curve is a longer and more difficult book. It has been denounced by many who never read it, and assume they know or have been told what it says. Start with observed facts and reason to conclusions and one may be doing science. Start with what one wishes were facts and all the reason in the world will not make it science nor will it lead to much that is useful. I no longer have time to conduct individual tutorials. You doubt what I tell you, and ask me to do your research for you. You are clearly an educated person and apparently intellectually honest. The actual facts are out there and aren't even all that controversial among people who do real science in this subject. If you start with assumptions of equality or, what amounts to the same thing, assumptions that we can't sort out people particularly at the extremes, you will design school systems that cannot possibly work, and produce horrid results. Which is what we have done in the US. The beginning of wisdom is to learn how things are, before deciding what to do about them. So continue having your doubts, but if you are actually honest, then go find out something of the subject. In any event, thank you for your views. Dear Jerry, Thank you for the recommendation. Seligman's book looks like it's out of print in the UK, but I've ordered a second hand copy from Amazon. > So continue having your doubts, but if
you are actually honest, then And thank you for your time - it's appreciated. Best wishes, I = I can only commend my correspondent for his good manners and for ignoring my lack of same. Perhaps something will come of this, but persuading people one at a time is not an optimum allocation of resources. I put this here in hopes that some of his arguments are common among readers, and my answers, rude as they may have been, will be helpful. I did not and should have addressed one point he made: >Assuming you are correct (and I have my doubts), doesn't that simply throw a spanner in the notion of pointing lower-IQ children towards practical subjects? After all, if they are unlikely to make a success of their lives even in a profoundly practical area like plumbing, what DO they do? First, my statement is true, and confirmed by many studies: for almost any human activity other than purely physical labor, IQ is the best single predictor of rank ordering by success within that activity. Note I did not say it is a perfect predictor; but it is the best single one we have, and by a good bit. It has been employed in jobs ranging from being a minister to plumbing to delivering pizza. The highest IQ people within that group tend to be rated the best at it by their peers. Second, in any professi0n or skilled trade there will some who are better than others. BY DEFINITION, half of those rated will be below average, just as half the children in the United States are below average. This is cruel, but it is the way it is; but it also doesn't mean that those below average are failures. You call the person who graduated at the bottom of his class in medical school "Doctor", and most of those deserve the title; of course getting into medical school should have weeded out the truly incompetent, so you have a competition among very good people indeed. Someone will be bottom, but that doesn't mean he will be incompetent. Third, directing people into skilled activities rather than "education" has two purposes: to give those who cannot profit from a lot of traditional education some return on their investment of their childhood in schools; and second to allow those who can be educated to be so. While mixing those who can profit from real education and those who must be taught skills through different methods can be important for the health of a republic, separating them at times is also important. When I went to school 4th through 8th grades were in Capleville consolidated, a rural Tennessee school with two grades per room and about 30 students per grade. Clearly I did not suffer from the experience. Most of my fellow pupils were farmer children with no ambition beyond learning to be farmers. My best friend wanted to be a draftsman (engineer was far too high an aspiration; his father was a Watkins Man, a traveling salesman in Watkins Liniment and other traditional Watkins products; this was, after all, still in the Depression). Education in Capleville was mixed, with lots of emphasis on rote learning. We learned poetry. We learned to speak in front of the class, including reciting poetry we had learned. We learned to read and expand vocabulary. Much of my education came about by reading library books, both during the time when the teacher was teaching the other grade in a 2 grades per room class, and sometimes when the lesson for us that day was boring because I already knew more about it than the 2-year Normal School grad teacher (a farmer's wife). Since I had the Encyclopedia Britannica at home, I often knew more than the teachers had been taught. I also learned not to make a big point of that. Fortunately the teachers didn't care what I did so long as I got high grades and wasn't disruptive, so it worked out well. And I profited by memorizing poetry and the multiplication tables to 12 x 12, and learning significant dates in World, US, and Tennessee history. Later I went to an academic high school. The Memphis school system in those days had the neighborhood high schools, Central High which was for about the upper 20% academically and was an academic school, Memphis tech which was selective but taught trades skills, and two Catholic schools, Loyola taught by Jesuits and known to be the place for disciplinary problem kids, and Christian Brothers which was operated as part of a junior college and was strictly academic. This scheme seemed to work pretty well. All of which is a long way of saying that if we don't have institutions for teaching our bright children, and for imparting skills to those who won't profit from traditional academic path education, we are doomed. There is one final implication, though: if we do sort out kids into "definitely for trade", "definitely for academic education," and "the middle group that gets both," then if we use any rational system for assigning students to those three groups, anyone will be able to see from a distance which group is which; and that will horrify civil rights people and various ethnic leaders, and God knows what will happen then. It may be that we are entirely doomed. We have sown the wind. And that is enough on this for a while. (This began above.) ================== Subj: Lockstep PowerPCs for reliability Here's another example of the kind of game IBM gets to play, by having control of its own chip-making, that it couldn't play if it Just Used Intel CPUs:
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-nl18-tip.html =The lockstep processor technique is a way of achieving high reliability in a microprocessor system by adding a second identical processor (the checker) to a system to monitor and verify the operation of the system processor. The two processors are initialized to the same state during system start-up, and they receive the same inputs (code, bus operations, and asynchronous events), so during normal operation the state of the two processors is identical from clock to clock. ... The IBM PowerPC 750GX processor contains an integrated lockstep facility (LSF). ... Designing a PowerPC 750GX lockstep system is as simple as connecting two PowerPC 750GX processors together, pin-strapping one as the lockstep processor, and deciding where to go for lunch.= Rod Montgomery==monty@sprintmail.com ========= Subject: Shoot the lawyers Dr. Pournelle: I don't know if you've seen this, but I found it rather interesting: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002569740_danny19.html It's sad when our courts must degenerate to playground bickering. Ryan Brown But, say the lawyers, we have a fiduciary obligation to protect our investors... And of course there's this one http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1222622 ======== The attitude of American Business, founded in laissez faire capitalism, towards safety and security, has always been hostile, imbued with a "it can't happen here" attitude. This is why OSHA and other regulations are needed. In my time in the Security industry I have seen truly appalling conditions in industrial plants which were not only permitted, but defended as "good business". This included one plant where there was no noise or temperature control nor were the required machine guards used to prevent injury. Management routinely hired illegal aliens and cheated them on hours worked and overtime. This was an extreme case and the plant manager and his immediate staff eventually went to jail. But only after a series of dire incidents. I have a dear friend from that time who suffers from MS. I've often wondered if the cause of her condition might not be the dangerous chemicals prevalent in the defense plant she worked in. Since it was a classified site, state inspectors never were able to gain access to do their job. I once saw another plant, where they made fertilizer, where there were puddles of acid all over the ground and the guards complained that their uniforms and shoes (which they had to buy themselves) quickly fell apart. I salvaged the situation by buying them rubber boots and coveralls, but those were discarded when the client objected because he(the plant manager) wanted "guards who looked like guards". In other words, appearances were more important than the health of our people. This place probably became a Superfund site, it was so polluted. I have much more, but my point is, than in a short-term results culture, ordinary workers and the general public need real protection from those who will cut corners every time to save a few bucks. It actually costs less in the long run, both for the business and the society at large, to handle these problems in a preventative mode, but those whose bonuses are tied to the financial results for the current quarter could care less. Sincerely, Francis Hamit I suspect that all such regulations can be left to the states. If there will be national regulations there need to be tariffs to protect those who must follow the regulations. The federal system is designed to make the states compete for sanity in such matters. No one pretends Congress can make sane regulations. Dear Jerry: Following up here on OSHA. In many cases, including California, it is left up to the State of local juristition and sometimes, as is the case here, the state regulations are more stringent than the Federal. About ten or twelve years ago I sold laminated posters for all the notices that had to be posted in the workplace. This was mostly a convenience for consulting clients, who could get them for free, from sic different agencies, but had to write and request them. Heavy fines would result if they were not posted when there was a State OSHA inception. (You've seen what I'm talking about every time you get your car repaired. SB 198 , the California version of OHSA , was fought tooth and nail by business interests and I got many an angry lecture from bosses, who always started with "We've never had an accident..." Usually that just meant that their luck hadn't yet run out on them. I always remembered the prospect I approached for guard service in the Chicago suburbs. The boss was a self-made man and very sure that he didn't need guards. When I pointed out that he would more than save their cost because his fire insurance premiums would be reduced, (This fact is the foundation of the modern security guard business) he told me that he didn't believe in insurance either and had none for his plant and inventory. My father taught me not to argue with fools , so I moved on to better prospects. Naturally when I read in the paper several weeks later that his establishment had burned to the ground, I was very sorry...oh, not for him...but for his sixty-five employees who no longer had a job. The fire was na accident, of course. But leaving it to the states solves nothing with OSHA. The Federal rules only apply where there is not already a state agency in place. Federal standards are a minimum, not a maximum approach. Sincerely, Francis Hamit Leaving it to the states means LEAVE IT TO THE STATES, not "do this or we will." The whole notion is to have competition among the states for sane legislation. Federal preemption defeats that. =================== Subject: "Sir, we're under strict orders not to discriminate like that." http://americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4915 -- Roland Dobbins Perhaps there will NOT always be an England. But do not despair: see below.
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Subject: Is Higher Education Worth the Cost? I know a guy in software who has never had a promotion in 25 years with his company and whose family has no hope of ever having a better standard of living. If only he had gotten his degree, Bill Gates would not be in such a fix. (And who knows what he might have achieved???) Yes, the author below makes serious points. "Bullshit" is what economists call a "superior good". The surge in GDP/capita that resulted from us Boomers entering the workforce and therefore ceasing to be dependents of our parents, fortified by our having few kids, much later, enabled higher education to be larded with all sorts of time-and-money sinks like "Women's Studies" that will soon be going under the knife. And good riddance. Jim
Last spring's television season of The Apprentice featured a competition between the "Net Worth" and "Magna" teams (alias "Street Smarts" and "Book Smarts"). It was a battle between people who spent their early 20s outside of college -- and who have profited nicely from that decision -- and academic achievers who spent that same time in college. Even though a college graduate ultimately won, throughout the program the Street Smarts more than held their own. If Donald Trump had intended to tweak colleges, he made his point -- and raised the question of whether the high cost of traditional higher education is worth the money. The answer that you often hear, that it nearly always is worth the money, may soon come under fire from a new generation of students and their parents. Getting their diplomas has paid off financially in the past for most graduates, but how long will it continue to do so? Since the early 1980s, tuition and fees at private and public colleges have grown faster than inflation each year -- often more than two or three times as fast. To obtain a four-year private-college diploma, a typical family sending off a freshman this fall is looking at a price tag close to $120,000, not counting books, transportation, and other expenses. Meanwhile, the amounts that today's students are borrowing are clearly rising. According to a report by the American Council on Education, the number of student loans made annually has more than doubled since 1993. As of 2004, 70 percent of private-college students receiving B.A.'s had taken out student loans, with a median amount of $17,125. Just over 80 percent of all students receiving professional degrees at private institutions (in fields such as law, medicine, and dentistry) had student loans, with a median amount of $71,317. Many have debts way above those medians, of course, and the report confirmed that students from the lowest-income families are borrowing the most. <snip> Is there any sane reason why college education costs more every year? Other than silliness, frills, and Political Correctness?
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October 21, 2005 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1829289,00.html The TimesOctober 17, 2005
WITH her year-round tan, long blonde hair and designer clothes, Sally Cameron does not look like a threat to national security. But the 34-year-old property developer has joined the ranks of Britain's most unlikely terrorist suspects after being held for hours for trespassing on a cycle path. Ms Cameron was being hailed yesterday as Scotland's answer to Walter Wolfgang, the 82-year-old heckler manhandled out of the Labour Party conference last month. She was arrested under the Terrorism Act for walking along a cycle path in the harbour area of Dundee. Yesterday, after receiving a letter from the Tayside procurator fiscal's office informing her that she would not be prosecuted, Ms Cameron said: "It is utterly ridiculous that such an inoffensive person as myself should be subject to such heavy-handed treatment." She was walking from her office in Dundee to her home in the suburb of Broughty Ferry when she was arrested under new anti-terrorist legislation and held for four hours. She said: "I've been walking to work every morning for months and months to keep fit. One day, I was told by a guard on the gate that I couldn't use the route any more because it was solely a cycle path and he said, if I was caught doing it again, I'd be arrested. "The next thing I knew, the harbour master had driven up behind me with a megaphone, saying, 'You're trespassing, please turn back'. It was totally ridiculous. I started laughing and kept on walking. Cyclists going past were also laughing. "But then two police cars roared up beside me and cut me off, like a scene from Starsky and Hutch, and officers told me I was being arrested under the Terrorism Act. The harbour master was waffling on and (saying that), because of September 11, I would be arrested and charged." Ms Cameron, who said that at one stage one of the officers asked her to stop laughing, described the incident as "like a scene from the movie Erin Brockovich, with all the dock workers cheering me and telling me to give them hell". She said: "I was told that the cycle path was for cyclists only, as if walkers and not cyclists were the only ones likely to plant bombs. There are no signs anywhere saying there are to be no pedestrians. "They took me to the police station and held me for several hours before charging me and releasing me." She said that she was particularly galled by the letter from the procurator fiscal's office, which said that she would not be prosecuted even though "the evidence is sufficient to justify bringing you before the court on this criminal charge". Keith Berry, the harbour master at Forth Ports Dundee, said yesterday that Ms Cameron had been seen as a "security risk". Speaking about the incident, which took place in May, he said: "We contacted the police in regards to this matter because the woman was in a secure area which forbids people walking. It was seen as a security risk. We were following guidelines in requirement with the port security plan set up by the Government." A spokesman for Forth Ports said: "We will robustly prosecute anyone who breaches these new security measures because they have been introduced by the Government and we are obliged to enforce them." ========= Subject: The ways of Empire Just up on google news: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002571833_afgan20.html Looks like we're learning the ways of empire whether we want to or not. :-( -David Mercer ============== Principal Brought Rapid Results To Unsung School.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ --- Roland Dobbins =========== Good overview of Google Maps applications. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/20/technology/circuits/20maps.html -- Roland Dobbins =============
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/20/technology/ - Roland Dobbins Tesla knew his stuff... The link you included with this article is the same as the article above it (about Google maps) SPS. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/20/technology/ <http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/20/technology/circuits/20maps.html?adxnn l=1&adxnnlx=1129875659-hjSimJwEJy4Ykmjo9Cfquw> circuits/20maps.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1129875659 <http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/20/technology/circuits/20maps.html?adxnn l=1&adxnnlx=1129875659-hjSimJwEJy4Ykmjo9Cfquw> -hjSimJwEJy4Ykmjo9Cfquw <http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/20/technology/circuits/20maps.html?adxnn l=1&adxnnlx=1129875659-hjSimJwEJy4Ykmjo9Cfquw> - Roland Dobbins Tesla knew his stuff... I think the link you wanted was (Tesla and SPS):
http://tech2.nytimes.com/mem/technology/techreview.html -- Cecil Rose
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http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20051101faessay84604 Iraq: Learning the Lessons of Vietnam Melvin R. Laird <http://www.foreignaffairs.org/author/melvin-r-laird/index.html> From Foreign Affairs, November/December 2005 <http://www.foreignaffairs.org/2005/6.html> Summary: During Richard Nixon's first term, when I served as secretary of defense, we withdrew most U.S. forces from Vietnam while building up the South's ability to defend itself. The result was a success -- until Congress snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by cutting off funding for our ally in 1975. Washington should follow a similar strategy now, but this time finish the job properly. MELVIN R. LAIRD was Secretary of Defense from 1969 to 1973, Counselor to the President for Domestic Affairs from 1973 to 1974, and a member of the House of Representatives from 1952 to 1969. KEG ============= I work for Google. http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2005/10/i_work_for_goog.php ---- Roland Dobbins =========== A number of letters on a theme: Subj: The usefulness of colleges ... and of Harvard in particular, specifically to Bill Gates: 1. Harvard provided the computer on which Gates stole the computer time he used to develop Altair BASIC. 2. Harvard is where he met Ballmer. Would Microsoft exist without at least #1 above? Esther Dyson understood, as I did not, that the real advantage to be achieved from going to Harvard is the connections you can form with the going-to-be-rich-and-powerful. But I don't feel too bad about that: evidently her father didn't understand it either. And _The Bell Curve_ discusses the role of colleges as mate-finding services. So colleges in general, and Harvard in particular, aren't quite useless, even aside from their credential-awarding service. On the other hand, one wonders whether the barriers to entry for prospective competitors for these useful services are quite so high as they have been historically. Certainly there are cheaper and easier places for a startup software shop to find computer time. 8-) As for why college education costs more every year: high barriers to entry for new competitors, no? Rod Montgomery==monty@sprintmail.com ============== Subject: Frills? Jerry: From my personal experience, mostly from my social group at college, there is a very clear delineation: Individuals who had chosen a professional course (physics, chemistry, computer science, education) have prospered to the limits of their abilities or perhaps a bit beyond. Three of us are a successful senior computer specialist for NASA, a senior chemist at an industrial chemistry facility who spends at least 4 months a year servicing clients in Japan and South America, and a physicist who took an advanced degree and who has enjoyed modest success in several notably different specialty areas of physics, mathematics, and chemistry. Individuals who had chosen a "fine arts" or "liberal arts" course are generally working secretarial or clerical positions at wages not much better than entry level wages. There have been and always will be people who benefit from higher education, just as there are many for whom higher education is a playground between high school and the real world. Ultimately, success has two contributors, ability and industry (in the sense of hard work). Mr. Gates and Mr. Dell were famously able to succeed without completing their higher education due to selection of a field where, frankly, fairly easily acquired skills were used intelligently, and with great industry, to achieve dramatic results. Whereas, for example, my career path has been one of constant retraining while building on the base of past experience and skills. I can play the money game to some extent (critical for achieving commercial success) but prefer the more abstract technical challenges and let the money fall where it will. J. ================= Subject: College Education Costs "Is there any sane reason why college education costs more every year? Other than silliness, frills, and Political Correctness?" Supply and demand. The demand in America continues to exceed the supply of quality courses, which is essentially limited by the availability of competent teachers. Here in the UK, with costs capped, we see more and more qualified students failing to find a university place. -- "The data (or the marks when teaching) are sacrosanct--they tell us what actually happened." Harry Erwin, PhD http://osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/~cs0her ================== Subject: Is college worth the cost? Jerry, you asked: ``Is there any sane reason why college education costs more every year?'' There is certainly a reason, though I won't make a judgement on whether it's sane. Each family has some reservation price, $X, which they are willing to spend on a college education for their kid. They won't go beyond that. The colleges have learned to practice what economists call ``perfect price discrimination'', charging pretty close to that reservation price for each family. Poor families generally get charged less than rich families, dumb kids (who probably wouldn't get far in the world without the education) get charged more on average than smart kids (who will do just fine no matter what). Congress noticed that the sticker cost of education (which few actually paid) was too high for the disadvantaged, so they made extra funds available for college costs. Through subsidised loans and grants, they made $Y available, so that now each family has $X+$Y as its reservation price. Colleges quickly figured this out, and raised their prices to match. Thus, one of the big factors driving the cost of college is financial aid. Unfortunately, college isn't getting better as it gets more expensive. First, we have the fact that most of education takes place between a student, a book and a mentor. That's pretty cheap, except for the student's opportunity cost, and it isn't aided by throwing more money at it. Second, we have the fact that most of the money doesn't go into instruction and facilities for instruction. Colleges are run by and for the administrators, and the faculty and students are generally tolerated as the unfortunately necessary administratees. Some of this extra administration is simple bureaucracy, but much of it, perhaps most of it, is to deal with the paperwork imposed by federally funded political correctness. Colleges have to show that they're giving equal resources to women's intramural teams, have to show that they're not discriminating against minorities, and on and on. The cost of not doing so would be to forgo the federal funds, and go back to the old, low-cost model of ``a student, a mentor, and a book''. No administrator is going to give up his bureaucratic empire do that. So, is a college education worth the money? I suspect that it's not worth the $X+$Y that society is spending on it. It may be worth the $X that the individual family spends. I have spent 10 years in college, and have annexed a master's degree in statistics and a BS in electrical engineering. Had I finished my dissertation, I would have a Ph.D in economics. I still regret not taking a tool and die maker apprenticeship I was offered when I was 19: it would have given me higher lifetime earnings, and would have been very satisfying work. I will help my kids with college if they want it, but I won't push them into it, and I would discourage them from going into debt (as I have!) to get a diploma. I will push them to learn a trade, whatever they choose to do about college. Nels Tomlinson I would argue that in 1954 I got a better education at the University of Iowa, for tuition I could afford with the GI Bill, than most get at the Ivy League schools today for ever increasing costs. We allow the universities including the state schools to add imbecile stuff like Black and Women's studies departments, expanding sociology departments, more voodoo sciences, with great and greater costs so that one graduates deeply in debt. And "accreditation" is not given to practical schools with reasonable curricula, few frills, and lots of actual education. And this will continue. ====== Hi Jerry. This was partially prompted by the "Is Higher Education Worth the Cost?" message by Jim in Thursday, October 20th's Mail, particularly the line: "The surge in GDP/capita that resulted from us Boomers entering the workforce and therefore ceasing to be dependents of our parents, fortified by our having few kids, much later, enabled higher education to be larded with all sorts of time-and-money sinks..." It seems to me that perhaps the proliferation of higher education, these "time-and-money sinks", and perhaps even no-child-left-behind schools has skewed the supply/demand relationship between workers and employers. Not all, but most employers blindly rely on our current education system to train their future workers without bothering to influence the type of education that is needed. The result is (at least in part) a workforce that does not meet the demands of current/future employers as good at it could - insufficient numbers of engineers perhaps, although I'm only guessing there. Perhaps one way of bringing labour supply and demand closer together is for employers to pay for students *of their choosing* to complete their education in return for a minimum number of years of service to said employer after the education is completed. The schooling is as specified by both the sponsor and the student. If the student/employee should renege on their part of the agreement (e.g. drop out of school, or otherwise only give x number of years of service when y is required), then the student must repay the costs of their education to their sponsor, the amount as determined by prior agreement between the relevant parties. This is hardly a new idea, it's a form of scholarship and/or apprenticeship both of which have been around a long time, but don't seem to be used as much as they once were. Of course this is how some militaries train their future officers and technicians (military colleges and such). I also remember a friend who was put through accounting school by the firm at which she eventually went to work. Co-op programs at universities aren't too far off this mark. For technical training (plumbers, mechanics, etc.) this could be done earlier, perhaps during high school years as part of workers' high-school education, the technical part funded by future employers. Note this would take some of the strain off our public schools and perhaps result in more motivated and interested high-school students. Having said all this, I don't mean for this system to completely replace the current one - if somebody wants to take courses of their own choosing at university or technical college, and they wish to pay for them themselves, that's their choice, and I wish them well. Indeed, I'm sure there are some subjects that would not be well served by such a sponsorship system. Some of those subjects we'll need to keep, and we'll have to be careful we don't lose them, but with tongue-in-cheek, maybe we could hope that some of the time-and-money sink subjects would naturally die off. Anyway, I'm not wedded to these ideas, but merely present them for discussion. One wonders what the faculty and teachers' unions would have to say about such things. Cheers, Mike Casey Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada ======= Dear Dr. Pournelle, that lasted long enough to pay off almost all my debts except the student loans and my house. The house will be paid off next year but I don't know if the student loans ever will. After the dot com crash and my job went away, I have had 3 jobs and am back at the company I was before I had a degree. I am making less than I was without a degree and those who were with me back then are much advanced in the company even after two buy outs. Not only that, but people without degrees but with seniority are doing better than me. Of course I do not have any "Certifications". I do have a nice piece of paper to hang on the side of my cube though. Patrick A. Hoage ============= Subject: IQ, college, and diversity A personal story Straight out of high school I went to Reed College because they wanted (geographic diversity) I did well on th SAT (690 verbal, 610 math) but still below the average there. The classes (especially science) were frankly beyond me. I did not do well and got into bad habits, and got kicked out. I got an IQ test and scored almost retarded in the spatial tests. The tester said he had never seen a split like that (144 verbal, 98 performance, I might be a few points off) What that means is I can trick anyone into thinking I'm smart, but have trouble putting together a puzzle. Years later I went back to school at a small liberal arts school and got a business degree and a biology minor. The degree has yet to pay off. I do wonder though if I had gone to a school more compatible with my native abilities if I would not have done better in life so far. I am not whining. Roanoke College is a good school and I had far more opportunities there (a product design internship where we came up with a product, business plan and patent, a market research internship at a tech company, and a trip to Denmark to do bioinformatics research) than I had at Reed, but the time it cost me! I just got MCAT scores back, and I did in the top 1-2% verbal, 80% physical science and 90-95% bio. I think that the top 1/10 of a percent learn differently than the rest of us, even the moderately bright. Trying to take Harvard's or Reed's pedagogy to the masses is foolish. Someone once asked Richard Feinman how he solved problems. He said that he looked at the problem, thought really hard, and then wrote down the answer. I do have hopes for some environmental interventions to raise IQ and improve behavior (creatine, omega-3's, micronutrients) But the schools can't even do school lunches well. Let me repeat that: Schools cannot provide vegetables. And we trust them with education? Sorry to rant, but I wanted to contribute something to your site. Regards, Robert Hull You have in a nutshell described the problem with affirmative action. The education methods that made Harvard and Reed important do not work with the general population. I very nearly went to Reed but the financial situation made it impossible: I had to make do with the Korean War GI Bill, which was more generous than the Viet Nam War veteran benefits but a lot less so than the WW II benefits; WW II vets got tuition and books and allowances wherever they were enrolled, Korean got a fixed sum of money for a fixed period of time. That left out Reed. I suspect I am as well off. Iowa in my day had splendid professors -- see upcoming BYTE columns for both details and how that's relevant to BYTE. But putting people in over their heads is not good practice. There needs to be a gradation in methods even up in the upper tiers. Perhaps I should say especially in the upper tiers of intelligence. That can to some extent be done by individual instruction by the professors; I certainly had to do that at Pepperdine where I had William Allen, Phil Karber, and some decent but average ability students in the same undergraduate classes. A New Sort Of University. Jerry, How would it be if there was a new sort of university? Students on entry would between 25 and 35 years old. Old enough to be as mature as they will ever be, and with enough working life before them to repay society after graduation. The only other entry qualification would be an IQ of 135 or more as measured by an abstract reasoning test after training in taking such tests. Instruction would be free and the students would be paid the industrial average wage so they would not deterred by economic factors or need to to take outside work. The university would be open to absolutely everyone who met the age and IQ qualification. Black, white, yellow, brown, and for that matter purple, whether legal or illegal, WASP or wetback, or in the case of the purple students, from Venus. Where necessary instruction would start at basic English as a second language, the two times table, and a is for apple levels. There would be no shame in this. Ignorant is not the same as stupid. When the student had the solid grounding that a rich bright child with rich bright parents has when graduating from high school, the student would be able to choose from a number of hard subject courses in science, medicine and engineering. Subjects with studies, outreach, race, wimmin's, and media, in the title would not be offered. Testing would be frequent. Students who did not choose to progress would be dismissed. Think of the advantages to society at large. The supply of smart people with useful training would be increased. The number of smart, bitter, people who had decided that a career in crime would be the best option would be decreased. Imagine the solid pride of a one time ghetto drug dealer who would be able to tell Burt Rutan, "Harvard?". No. I attended an elite university. There must be a lot of clever and devoted teachers who are quietly despairing while being trapped by career considerations in the present education system. I don't think finding staff would be a problem. Finding the right person to start the university would. Possibly an eminent writer of science fiction with a background in mathematics and government could be persuaded to become its head? John Edwards We can fiddle with the admissions requirements: 135 is a bit high I think. 120 to 140 would do. But if the school were honest in admissions it would be vastly more white than black and would instantly be labelled racist. As to your final suggestion, I am a bit old. They wanted me to be president of a community college once (to straighten it out) but I am not qualified because I don't have an education/administration credential. ================ Dear Dr. Pournelle, At the urging of many close to me, I went back to college and earned an A.S. degree, with honors, in Computer Information Technology. I graduated in late June; and now find myself washing dishes for less than I made before spending two years investing in a supposed better future. All the job-training is useless without employment available in the field of study. It is really discouraging to those who, like myself, were told to "work hard and you'll get ahead". I try to think positively but being middle-aged in today's job market it is getting ever harder to be self-supporting when all one can find are low-level service jobs. Just another bit of anecdotal evidence to throw out for you. I'm trying to keep a stiff upper lip and all that and still hoping that someday this education will be the key to a better life. I pray so, for myself and all the others who have invested in this road to (so far) nowhere. Yours, S Hang in there. Things are getting better. And good luck. ================== I work on a university campus although I do not work for the university. I am also sending a child through college so I am intimately familiar with the expense. Universities and colleges primary purpose (beyond football and basketball) is to employ people who are otherwise unemployable. Consider that many of the humanity degrees are basically unemployable degrees. So colleges and universities provide these people with jobs so that the institutions can say there are jobs for these disciplines. Now in order to have anyone in the classes the institutions force students to take these classes as part of their curriculum. Without these classes as part of the curriculum an engineering student could learn everything in two to three years instead of the four to five years now required. Of course this also provides more money for the colleges and universities to employ the otherwise unemployable. I won’t even talk about the waste from spending on top of the line equipment and tossing serviceable, but “not cool” equipment. High end top of the line PC’s for secretaries that do nothing but type documents. I walk by several class rooms in the building where I work. What is particularly astounding is the many of the professors do not speak English as a primary, perhaps even a secondary, language. Some of the classes are taught by others than the professor as the professor is off working on a pet project using student labor for most of the work with the professor taking all the credit. My son, along with several others, had to drop a class because they could not understand the professor. The school would not refund the tuition, no ifs, ands, or buts. Of course there was a time past when Martin Marietta would hire someone with any degree over someone with skills. I worked as a contractor with these people who were basically incompetent and skill set was very lacking. So at one time there jobs for people with degrees because it was considered a good thing. But companies have been burned by the lack of competent education and classes taught by professors that knew little about their subject. Bottom line is that colleges and universities are about money, not about education. The more a college can spend the more it can receive in state funds and the more that it can charge students. The quality of education is not better, just more expensive. Ray Thompson The craze for degrees has to do with affirmative action and credentialism: if you insist on credentials you are in a stronger position if you hire one person over a certified member of a certified victim group. Until we get past that idiocy, we will continue to have deteriorating universities and an increasingly unqualified work force. What we need is a constitutional amendment that says you cannot because of race deprive anyone of the equal protection of the laws, and this time we really mean it. ================= Subject: Yes, there will always be an England Dear Jerry, Entertaining as it is, the story from the "American Thinker" (linked to from Mail) on their correspondent's recent trip to England contains so many falsities and half-truths that it's somewhat laughable. I started doing a little fact checking when I read about his trip's start at Trafalgar Square - I work on the square, so enjoy it every day. So you can imagine my surprise when I read of "Red" Ken Livingstone's plan to replace the statues. As far as I can tell, there is no such plan: instead, the plinth in the corner that's been empty since it was erected is being used for a series of new works, one of which may eventually occupy the site permanently. So far, I'm not keen on any of the works (although Mark Wallinger's statue of Christ is probably the best), but I like the idea. You can read the full story of the fourth plinth at http://www.fourthplinth.co.uk/, and see pictures of the statues raised so far - plus its original, empty state - at http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/gallery/0,8542,1005915,00.html. I then carried on reading, putting that to one side. After all, the idea that we'd let a plinth go empty for 164 years before putting something in its place might not be obvious to a visiting tourist. Next, though, I came to the part about how "the meddling Eurocrats in Brussels have somehow determined that rocking horses, of all things, shall have a maximum height of 60 centimeters." This set off my myth-sensors tingling. There's so much nonsense talked about standards set by the EU that this kind of statement often makes me go check the facts. So I did, and found that, in fact, there's no such ruling. Instead, the British Standards Institute - a venerable body that sets completely voluntary standards for a variety of things - has, in collaboration with other equivalent European bodies, set such a standard. Again, it's completely voluntary - there's no law, ruling, or anything stopping people making and selling rocking horses as large as houses if they want. Next up came the statement that piggy banks are hard to find after complaints from muslims. Given that Mr Williams started in Trafalgar Sqaure, perhaps he should have done some shopping around there - a wander through the "tourist" shops soon found one for me. As far as I can tell, there's been only one recorded instance of a complaint from anyone of the muslim faith in the UK about a pig-shaped toy - and that was in the Midlands, in an office, and concerned a squeezy "stress reliever" rather than a piggy bank. Meanwhile, Mr Williams is in Cornwall, enjoying a Cornish pasty. He claims that he'd better be fast, as "the pin- heads in Brussels are going to change its name – it's hard to understand their 'logic' but something about European tourists thinking that have to go to Cornwall to get one." In fact, there's no chance that it'll have to change its name. The EU runs a scheme called "Protected Geographical Indication", which is designed to help regions exploit the genuine tastes of their local cuisine. Cornwall has applied to the EU to have the humble Cornish Pasty registered under this scheme - which means that genuine cornish pasties would have to be made there. Mr Williams' cornish pasty (from Cornwall!) is safe. Next, there was the school uniforms. Apparently, according to Mr Williams, "school uniforms breach some ill-conceived "Human Rights Act," so are no longer mandatory." This is just false. Although fewer schools adopt uniforms - for other, and in my opinion wrong reasons - it's nothing to do with the human rights act. State schools DO have an obligation to account of the religion of their pupils, for example by allowing Muslim girls to wear headscarves or Jewish boys to wear a yarmulka, but this is merely an acceptance that freedom of religious practice should mean some flexibility. I have to confess that at this point, I was getting too exasperated by the inaccuracies to carry on reading in detail. However, I did get to the point at which Mr Williams arrived, hot-footed back to London - although quite how he managed to make it to Devon, Oxford and Northumberland (at the other end of the country!) in what from his narrative looks like a single day baffles me. I did, however, spot his point about " with nothing better to do a Eurocrat named Francis Carpenter has suggested [Trafalgar Square] be renamed in order to not offend the French whose defeat at the hands of Admiral Nelson it commemorates." Mr Carpenter is pretty much on his own in this (he's the head of the European Investment Fund, and spoke in a personal capacity). As I write this, Trafalgar Square is being readied for Sunday's celebration of the 200th Anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar, tickets for which have already sold out, and which will feature marches, parades, royalty and more (details at http://www.trafalgar200.com/). And the French hardly seem offended: Back in June, they sent over the Charles de Gaulle, the pride of the French navy, to take part in a review presided over by the Queen to commemorate the battle - hardly the action of a mortally-offended nation! While I agree with the aims of what Mr Williams was doing bandying around half-truths and falsities serves no one well. There are too many battles against legitimate examples of political correctness to be won to start tilting at windmills. Best wishes, Ian Betteridge Thank you! Ain't journalism wonderful? ============ |